Whats playing at the Dreamland next week? Anti-Obama propaganda.

that's music, Catherine....very nice.

I surprise myself when my imagination defaults to the psyche you described each time I read anything about Paul Ryan...although it hasnt defaulted to political masturbation, it always defaults to those boys of yore, sniggering little wannabes who default to pedantry because they cant hack fair play in the sandbox.

The other default: lying.   Personally, I worry about people who, after acclaiming a set of beliefs for 25+ years, suddenly disclaims their belief.....worse, if asked, they'll call it a revelation or a "god' thing.  If theyre lying, theyre lying....if theyre not lying, let's call it a mental disorder.....of Paul Ryan.  No doubt a guy like that would outdo Alexender Haig in a crisis.

Under the blankets, in the closets, same difference.  There is something fundamentally wrong with Ryan.  And Mitt, as a American patriot?

Who can argue with claiming to know nothing about their own wealth invested and banked overseas?

There are inaccuracies here, for instance President Obama's people did return the Churchill bust, it would be better to argue why they returned it. President Obama is not neutral on Argentina in the minds of most in the world despite his staff's comments as actions speak louder than words, why should the UK negotiate their territory as the US is currently insisting? MM presents both sides of an issue? There are others.

I did not watch it because I wanted to. I watched it because I wanted to have a conversation about it afterwards. I expected a few conservatives to show up and provide their views at the Brotherhood. But, unfortunately, they wimped out. There's $12 (and $10 for popcorn and a soda) tht I'll never get back. Maybe I can write it off. 

I also wanted to get a look at the kind of people who were going to see it. There were a lot of grey hairs in the audience. I was one of the youngest people there.

These kinds of movies very rarely change minds. They are seen by people who want to have some independent confirmation of their own beliefs. Human beings are a strange species. Our beliefs are based largely on our family and peer experiences. And once we get one or two sources to confirm our beleifs, they are pretty much locked in. It takes a lot to change that. Pychologists call this "confirmation bias."

Fortunately for the good guys, the messages and arguments in this movie are so pooly constructed, the beliefs of those who see it, if they are being truthful with themselves, can be shredded like tissue paper. 

G. 

Funniest thing is , Grant, you paid money to see it.  Could have waited till it was on TV, sheesh.

Well I saw the film and met with my three other peeps afterards. Two Gregs and a Dirk. We had a good time and did not spend too much time discussing this ideologic house of cards of a film. 

The ideas and arguments the filmmaker puts forth are thin at best. This guy did not even bothering to fact check the points he makes in the film to shore up his argument. He said that Obama sides with Argentina over Britain on the Falklands. He doesn't and has said again and again that he is neutral. The filmmaker says that Obama returned a bust of Churchill that was in the White House to the British at the beginning of his term. Yet the bust remains in the white house. He is essentially reporting a rumor that is not true. He said that the US has halted domestic oil production while bolstering production in Brazil, and other south American countries. Yet domestic oil production is at an eight year high.

And he makes these points to bolster this rather personal (to the indian-born filmmaker) assertion that Obama's father, who he did not grow up with and only met once, instilled in him a unique Kenyan anti-colonialist world view.

(Here in the US, we are innately anti-colonialist due to our history, so I don't see how the argument is even germain.)

His cadre of experts who paint Obama as a socialist bring up the same arguments about Bill Ayres and Jeremiah Wright that have been debunked over and over. (I guess we can be grateful that the filmmaker doesn't jump on the crazy, whack-job, looney-tunes birther bandwagon and states that Obama was, in fact born in Hawaii and his birth was reported in two newspapers. But the fact that he goes out of his way to say this struck me a little odd...)

The worst part of the movie is the innate double secret racist overtone, embodied by another "expert" who asserts that Obama only got elected because people wanted to vote for a black man to be able to tell their friends they were not racist. I personally voted for Obama because I thought he was a better choice than McCain (and that crazy VP choice of his).

Finally, after interviewing Obama's half brother, who he met when the man was five, and some other Kenyans who knew Obama Senior, and a former US auditor general in a really bad tie, the filmmaker jumps to the conclusion that if Obama is re-elected, we will reach a very scary 50 trillion in debt by 2016. But if we go up to 50 trillion in debt, we would need to spend 44 trillion dollars in the next four years over and above the 9.2 trillion in receipts. This would be impossible unless the economy goes back to 2008-2009 levels, the war in Iraq starts up again, The war in Afghanistan continues, we continue the Bush Tax cuts and we continue with stimulus and TARP spending. It's just ridiculous assertion.

In all, the film was artfully made, albeit some unfortunate stock music choices, but the thesis and facts are thin, shaky and painfully dour, pessimistic and fearful. In short: poo.

No thanks. I hate people and crowds. I will bet a box of nubs that Little g will not be going either.

as i said on facebook, Obama's record is anti-Obama.

 i would have expected nothing less, for Huffpo's review.

i'm thinking of calling Tuna, Flint and g to go.  AB?  you up for it?  a real OLD time Yack event. 

So I'm thinking we should have a YACK meet-up tonight. See this movie and then talk about it. All political persuasions invited. 

If you don't want to see the movie, then join us afterwards for the discussion. 

Movie's at 8 PM

Discussion at 9:45 Brotherhood Upstairs Bar. Where all good political discussions are held. 

I thought the whole idea of the Dreamland was to a be a positive force and to bring the community together? Showing something like "2016" (seven times!) certainly doesn't do that.

ackhc

Tobey (with an e) checked out of here a long time ago.

AB, counting down until Labor Day and then not looking forward to the dreaded Fur Coat Stroll.

The 1%'ers are not our friends.

Their people are not "Our People."

Their people will be rushing to pay good, green, foldin' munny to see what they already believe in their hearts.

"Obama's America" is porn for the 1%'ers.

Their people will be sitting in the back, dark corners of the Dreamland with their collective hands under blankets.  --->    

QC/Catherine Stover

Just a thought. If they are trying to swing votes, are they showing it for free? Not likely.

as Tobey would say......

BINGO.

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Just looked at the Board of Directors of the Dreamland Foundation. It seems that the person who hosted the huge fundraiser for Romney last week on Eel Point Road is on the the list. VERY interesting.....

Even the Huffington Post bashed the movie? I think I will wait for it to be on HBO.

I'm disappointed to find that the Dreamland is now a propaganda outlet  for keeping the 1% in power. Wendy Schmidt is the chair of the Board. Does that mean we can't trust ReMain now? It seemed promising, but with this move, maybe they were just gaining our trust to gain power.

Say what you will about Michael Moore, he does present both sides of an issue. In this case the film creates a strawman about how Obama is a secret communist because his mother was a radical and because they interviewed a distant relative in Kenya and provides no alternative view. Also, Moore's film played at the Starlight which is not a 501c nor for profit organization like the Dreamland. The whole thing seems so unneccessary. the country is split right down the middle. I would guess that this film will not change anyone's opinion at all, especially given its tinfoil hattery and nutty right wing craziness.

Some comments:
Beth Fouhy of the Associated Press said that the movie contained a number of factual inaccuracies and noted that its central thesis that Obama's presidency is an expression of his father's political beliefs, "is almost entirely subjective and a logical stretch at best".

Michael O’Sullivan described the movie as a "slick infomercial...destined to irritate the president’s supporters while mobilizing his detractors, even as it is doomed to win precious few converts", while also criticizing D'Souza for "fear-mongering of the worst kind".

Bet no one complained when that Michael Moore film was playing...and I will take my beating now.  (credit to AB)

Let's make sure that Ken doesn't get confused with Kenny B.

Kenny B., Liberal and heading your way soon, from Englewood, FL

Ken is in a sea of liberals here. He is going to get a good beating for what he said.

I will accept my beating now.

I would have a problem if they banned it but I totally see your point about playing it repeatedly. Personally I'd like to see it followed by a weeks showing of Animal Farm, Handmaids Tale and Farenheit 451 to be fair and balanced... or should we expect Reefer Madness and Boys Beware to show up at the matinee?

I'll be attending a screening.

Thx Dreamland. I thought I'd have to travel off island for this one.

what gives?

look at the Dreamland's board of directors.

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